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Thursday, August 21, 2014


Knowledge is Power in Our Struggle for Racial Survival
(Information that should be shared with as many of our people as possible -- do your part to counter Jewish control of the mainstream media -- pass it on and spread the word)

by Val Koinen
August 21, 2014

Here is an interesting article that showed up on cnn.com this morning that is supposed to be relevant to the recent black rioting in Ferguson, Missouri:  5 disturbing stats on black-white inequality.

Shouldn't the article have been entitled 7 disturbing stats on black-white inequality?  And shouldn't the really important stats have been at the top of the list?:
  1. Blacks have much lower IQs than Whites on average.
  2. Blacks have a much greater propensity than Whites for such things as:  violent behavior, criminal behavior (and especially violent criminality), and instant self-gratification vs. measured and reasoned response.
So typical of CNN reporting (actually, of essentially all the biased, anti-White mainstream media news reporting) -- looks like a deliberate error of omission to me.  I mean, if you are going to cite statistics that relate to underlying reasons as opposed to mere indicators or excuses, it would seem to me that you would want to lead off with those given above.

Here is a suggestion:  if you want to get a better understanding of what went wrong in Ferguson, you might want to read this article by Jared Taylor on amren.com.

Monday, August 11, 2014


Knowledge is Power in Our Struggle for Racial Survival
(Information that should be shared with as many of our people as possible -- do your part to counter Jewish control of the mainstream media -- pass it on and spread the word)

by Val Koinen
August 11, 2014

So now we aren't supposed to call them 'Negroes,' or to describe them as being 'dark.'  Unbelievable as these reports are, we should all take a few minutes to catch up on the latest efforts to tell White Americans what words we can no longer use and how we should be more sensitive to Negro feelings:  here, here, and here.

This kind of extreme politically-correct nonsense would be hilariously funny if it weren't so (take your pick): absurd, ridiculous, idiotic, weird, insane, and maddening.  It is all those things.  But it is, unfortunately, more than that.  Our putting up with this kind of rubbish is just about the epitome of White American cowardice.

How can a people and their culture (I'm referring to us White Americans here) hope to survive and prosper if they are so stupid and/or weak that they allow this kind of thing to go unchallenged?  How can we hold our heads up while we insist on maintaining an orderly, rational, functioning society when we put up with and some of us even embrace this kind of garbage coming from the snivelling colored race-baiters?  The sadly true and straightforward answer:  we can't.

Try to keep in mind here that the reality-challenged Negroes are constantly changing their preference when it comes to what they like to be called -- how they want the White majority to refer to them.  They have gone from favoring terms such as Negro, colored, and black (and no doubt others I've forgotten) to the most recently favored 'African-American.'  (They don't seem to realize that the latter term describes geographic origin rather than racial identity.   An American born of parents of Egyptian or Libyan descent could just as appropriately be called an African-American.  As could a White American who was born in South Africa for that matter.)

The word 'Negro' is still the most accurate descriptor of the race of dark-skinned, kinky-haired, thick-lipped, relatively low-IQ people whose ancestors hailed from the African continent.  And it is the preferred term used most commonly in proper scientific and scholarly communications, whether or not some confused Negroes are offended by people calling them Negroes.

The word 'dark' is a common, entirely innocuous adjective.  'Dark Negro' is accurate and descriptive when used for the purposes described in these reports.  In fact, its use in this case is nothing more than as an appropriate term that is helpful to law enforcement when they do their job (trying to find and arrest criminals), thereby protecting the public at large.

And perhaps most important, considering these Negro complainers' (feigned) sensitivities, there is nothing whatsoever demeaning or insulting about it.  I guess I could understand and sympathize with their pique if a police report were to describe one of them using another of the more-or-less accurate but clearly derogatory terms that are based on shades of their brown skin color such as 'high-yeller' or worse (I myself would never use such offensive terminology, or advocate its use).

Another thought:  they say we can't any longer call them 'Negroes,' or 'dark,' but the coloreds (Blacks, African-Americans, or whatever you choose to call them) routinely use the terms 'ni**er' and 'ni**ah' all the time, over and over again, amongst themselves and in their commercially (and mostly Jewish-) produced 'hip-hop' and 'rap' so-called 'music.'

Also, by the way, they call us 'honkies,' 'crackers,' and 'whitebread' all the time.  The equally sensitive Amerinds have called us 'palefaces' and 'round-eyes' for many, many years, and the mestizos (even the illegal-alien invaders) like to call us 'Anglos' and 'Gringos.' Any of those terms can have derogatory connotations in context, but most of us think nothing of it, or just laugh it off.

For a predominantly White society to have to listen to, pay any serious attention whatsoever to, publish and broadcast, and then to allow themselves to be chastised by and then 'stand corrected' by this kind of nonsense is just flat-out embarrassing.  And to let the Marxist/Jew/colored coalition attempt to use something like this to force the ultimately demeaning humiliation and punishment of 'sensitivity training' on the subject law enforcement agencies, and to agree to change legitimate methodology in order to mollify and accommodate these ignorant but aggressively anti-White troublemakers, is an outrage.

What's next?  Some group crying and screaming for chastisement and corrective action if someone uses such terms as 'Negro in the woodpile,' 'dark clouds,' 'dark-colored dog,' or the 'dark of night'?  Or White people somewhere raising hell if someone calls them 'light-complected,' or 'Caucasian'?  Or someone complaining and threatening to sue some school or pro-sports team for calling themselves the Redskins, or even Indians, or Warriors? (Oh, yeah, that's right -- that's already happening.)

Damn, I'm getting sick of this anti-White crusade of political correctness being pushed by the Jews, the colored minorities, and the White race traitors of the media (news and entertainment), government, big business, and educational establishments.

Sunday, August 10, 2014


Knowledge is Power in Our Struggle for Racial Survival
(Information that should be shared with as many of our people as possible -- do your part to counter Jewish control of the mainstream media -- pass it on and spread the word)

by Val Koinen
August 10, 2014

Here is an excellent analysis of the Jewish/Israel vs. Palestinian/Gaza situation, and American support of Israel's positions and actions in that conflict, by a scholar who knows what he is talking about -- Stephen M. Walt.  It would seem that there is little we can do about this Jewish control of our federal government, and especially Congress, if we can't bring the public pressure needed to wean our disgusting politicians away from AIPAC and the rest of the Jewish Lobby.  And that, of course, begs the question -- how do we do that when the Jews virtually control all of the major mainstream media?  Just one more conundrum brought to us by our friends the Jews.

Thursday, August 7, 2014


Knowledge is Power in Our Struggle for Racial Survival
(Information that should be shared with as many of our people as possible -- do your part to counter Jewish control of the mainstream media -- pass it on and spread the word)

by Val Koinen
August 7, 2014

I have had people ask me why I am always yammering about the mostly Jewish efforts to poison our culture with all the soft porn, race mixing, filthy language, gratuitous and unnatural sexuality in performances, premature sexualization of our children and particularly our little girls, and all the other filth they keep pushing on our children.

Here, in this story about NBC's broadcasting yet another disgusting performance by the disgusting Miley Cyrus, is a good example of the kind of thing that concerns me so much.  (Maybe the most surprising thing about this report is that it was posted on a mainstream news site.)

Keep in mind -- this is just one single, and far from extraordinary, example of this Jew-instigated rot.

We can certainly agree with the points made in the article in a couple places to the effect that NBC's airing this filth was a conscious, calculated decision on the part of network executives.  I would just add -- 'the mainly Jewish executives and their race-traitor lap-dogs,' and 'as just one small part of the complicit and culpable Jews' ongoing efforts to destroy our culture, our Western Civilization, and our very existence as a people.'

And then we should take note of the disingenuous comment at the end, that if someone is worried about this kind of broadcast they just don't have to watch it -- knowing full well that millions of our youngsters will end up watching it, for one reason or another.  That result is just unavoidable; that is undoubtedly one of the calculated reasons NBC decided to air the garbage in the first place.

Wednesday, August 6, 2014


Knowledge is Power in Our Struggle for Racial Survival
(Information that should be shared with as many of our people as possible -- do your part to counter Jewish control of the mainstream media -- pass it on and spread the word)

by Val Koinen
August 6, 2014

Well, as you know, race is just skin deep.  It's just a 'social construct,' after all.  We're all the same under the skin; they're just like us.  This is the beauty of multiculturalism; more proof that 'diversity is our strength.' Obviously, we need more of these people and their culture and behavior to enrich our lives.  Gee, if Obama had a son he would look just like some of these 'youfs.'  And last but not least, 'you just can't make this stuff up.'

Following are some sadly typical examples of the many ways in which non-Whites and the near-White Jews have been busily enhancing the quality of American society over just the past week or so.

Here we have an example of Negro innovation and ingenuity -- an entirely new and different approach to self-immolation.

More Negro innovation and ingenuity -- a new twist on the potentially deadly game of Russian Roulette, which was never the brightest idea in the first place.  Here, one of the youngsters pulls the trigger not just once, but three times.  (I guess this is the 'click-til-you-win' version.)

Moving from the tragic to the hilarious, here we have a Negress showing us the right way to pull off an armed bank robbery.

Back to the tragedy end of the scale -- here is a good example of the impact racial integration (racial inclusiveness) in our neighborhoods can have on our White children.

More tragic behavior -- antics of non-Whites of a different alien culture.  Admittedly, this one occurred  in the victim's own country and not in ours, but it serves to illustrate behavior that seems to be much more common in those other cultures -- and particularly in the mestizo culture that is overwhelming much of our country as we continue to let hundreds of thousands of these people (these invaders) into the U.S. via both 'legal' and illegal immigration.

And lastly, we wouldn't want to leave the Jews out of our little alien-culture 'diversity parade,' now would we?  Here is a charming story reflecting just one of their many efforts to enrich our society; to add their contribution to the cultural diversity of America.

... Just another few days in our magnificent 'rainbow nation.'

Monday, August 4, 2014


Knowledge is Power in Our Struggle for Racial Survival
(Information that should be shared with as many of our people as possible -- do your part to counter Jewish control of the mainstream media -- pass it on and spread the word)

by Val Koinen
August 4, 2014

Our newspapers and television news broadcasts of the past several weeks have somewhat belatedly begun to report on some of the atrocities being inflicted by the Israeli Jews on the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.  In fact things have gotten so bad that even the Jew-controlled mainstream media have been forced to expose that slaughter of the essentially defenseless Palestinians, almost all of them civilians and many if not most of them women and children (using American-provided weaponry and munitions, and American funding, by the way).

Sure, it's ugly and it's disgusting.  Of course it's shocking.

But what's new about it?  How can it really be a surprise?  (Answers: nothing, and it's not, if you know anything about the Jews.)

After all, this is the same tribe of people that has been doing this kind of thing since Biblical times.

Even when they were victorious in battle way back then, the Jews seemed to be pretty good at raping and plundering the civilian population; and even, on occasion, murdering essentially everyone they could get their hands on, including the children. Even the animals.

Those are the same people who later-on killed millions during and following the Russian Revolution.  Jewish functionaries were a major force under Stalin when the USSR killed or deported to their deaths millions of Russian kulaks (the landowning, wealthier peasant farmers) and others starting in about 1929 (largely the work of the Jew Lazar Kaganovich, who then went on to genocide at least seven and up to ten million Ukrainians in the early 1930's).

The Jew Genrikh Yagoda was a ranking Soviet official during the early to mid-1930's.  He was responsible for thousands of deaths of slave laborers on a canal construction project under his direction.  Along with Lazar Kaganovich, Yagoda was responsible for the deliberate starvation and other killing of millions of  kulaks during the Ukranian Holodomor.  For a number of years he was head of the Soviet secret police (NKVD), in which capacity he has been blamed for millions of deaths.  He is said to have been responsible for the killing of at least ten million people.

The Jew Ilya Ehrenburg was probably responsible more than anyone else for much of the rape, torture, other brutalizing, and horrible murder of millions of German refugees and other civilians in the later stages of World War II when the Soviet armies were advancing through eastern Europe and into Germany.

Israeli Jew 'Bibi' Netanyahu of today's headlines is a despicable babykiller, but he's a piker compared to the murderous Jewish creatures Yagoda, Kaganovich, and Ehrenburg.

Keep in mind too that it was the Jews who were instrumental in getting us involved in World Wars I and II, and in the recent and ongoing wars and all the warmongering in the Middle East (which involvement has cost hundreds of thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars over the years).

It was Jews who were ultimately responsible for court decisions and immigration and so-called 'civil rights' legislation that 'loosed' the prolifically reproductive Negroes and Mestizos on our White society.  And that has resulted in hugely disproportionate crimes of violence committed by Negroes and Mestizos on White Americans, ongoing to the present day.  In fact, it's getting worse all the time (America's secret, dirty war).  Crimes such as assault and battery, flash-mob attacks, 'knockout game' attacks, kidnapping, torture, and murder.  As perhaps one of the more egregious examples -- Negroes rape some 30,000+ White women each year in America (versus essentially zero black women raped by White men).

And what must also be considered is that the Jew-instigated and -facilitated ravaging and displacement of White Americans by the colored masses is just one aspect of their long-time effort to genocide us Whites out of existence.  Other methods used by Jews to achieve that goal include war instigation, cultural poisoning, radical feminism and the destruction of the family, 'normalization' of homosexuality and the empowerment of homosexuals, promotion of race-mixing, creation/promotion of economic conditions and culture that contribute to low birthrates among Whites, and more.

So as I asked at the outset -- what's new about this Israeli slaughter of just a thousand or so innocent civilians, women, and children in the Gaza Strip?  What's the big deal?  Yawn and shrug.  That's Jews for you.

Saturday, July 26, 2014


Knowledge is Power in Our Struggle for Racial Survival
(Information that should be shared with as many of our people as possible -- do your part to counter Jewish control of the mainstream media -- pass it on and spread the word)

by Val Koinen
July 26, 2014

Two-plus-two equals what? As the following examples show, when it comes to Social Mathematics 101, a lot of White people in America really could use some remedial education.

Negro integration, multi-racialism, diversity

Problem #1:

Negroes have the lowest average IQ of any racial group in the world (except maybe for Australia's aborigines).
+  Negroes are the most criminally inclined and violent race in our society, by far.
+  They are unusually prone to exhibiting savage behavior; they have low impulse control (self control).
+  A few of them can dribble a basketball.
=  We should therefore insist on sharing every aspect of our society with them, and welcome every kind of race mixing.

Problem #2:

Due to their low average IQ, Negroes display the poorest academic abilities and performance of just about any racial group on the planet.
+  Their presence in substantial numbers requires 'dumbed-down' curricula and instruction, thereby shortchanging the educations of our White children.
+  They are notorious for their disruptive and delinquent behavior in the classroom.
+  They are a constant criminal threat to White kids in the school setting.
+  A few of them can catch and run with a football.
=  It is smart, and right, to insist on integrated schools, busing Negroes to White schools (and vice versa), and to have racial preferences and set-asides for them in college admissions.

White survival

Problem #3:

We spend millions on eradicating weeds so we can have beautiful lawns.
+  We struggle to control noxious weeds (invasive species) in fields and in the countryside.
+  We go into panic mode about Asian carp in Mississippi River drainage waterways and the Great Lakes.
+  We are proud of our pure-bred dogs and horses, and special- and quality-bred roses.
=  It's best for White people to encourage their own genetic contamination and ultimate racial destruction by approving of and even promoting race-mixing with Negroes and others of the darker-skinned underclasses.

Problem #4:

Whites are an endangered subspecies.
+  We care deeply about the spotted owl.
+  We care just as deeply about the snail darter.
+  We spend millions to aid salmon recovery after years of depletion due to dams and fishing practices.
+  For that matter, we shut down entire fishing industries and do great damage to local economies in order to replenish other fish populations.
+  We reintroduce the wolf to mountainous and forested areas in the West.
+  We facilitate the growth of non-White populations all over the world by spending huge amounts of money to provide them with food, medicines and medical care, infrastructure, etc.
=  It's best to ignore the fact of the ongoing and accelerating genocide of White people all around the world, and to prevent our doing anything about it.

Problem #5:

Whites are, without doubt, the greatest race (subspecies) of people ever to grace the planet Earth.
+  We built most of the great civilizations, including what is known as modern 'Western Civilization.'
+  White men created almost all of the great literature, art, music, and poetry.
+  We discovered, invented, and developed most of the medical wonders and medicines that have been so beneficial to all of mankind.
+  We pioneered the design, engineering, and construction of great buildings, highways, bridges, tunnels, dams, port facilities, airports, power plants and transmission lines, and other infrastructure that have made modern civilization possible the world over.
+  We invented and built the internal combustion engine and the automobile (and now, electrically powered vehicles); we invented and built the great ships and railroad trains.
+  We invented and developed manned flight -- from the first primitive airplanes to today's modern airliners; and rockets and spaceships.
+  It is our science and technology that have provided essentially all the wonders of the modern world, including digital science and computers.
+  We made the forests, fields, and oceans productive, and it has been the White man's agricultural genius that has made it possible to feed the growing population of humanity all over the world.
+  We were among the first to discover the ores of most of the metals and industrial minerals and their beneficial uses, and to devise the mining and metallurgical and processing techniques that have made it possible to build and maintain modern civilization.
+  We discovered and developed the awesome (and for the most part beneficial) power of nuclear energy.
=  That is why we Whites should feel so shameful about our role in history; that is why we should teach our children lies about their people's history and falsely elevate the nearly non-existent accomplishments of Negroes; that is why we should be filled with White guilt and self-hatred; that is why we should enjoy seeing so many of our cities turned into non-White cesspits and our society destroyed by forced integration, multiculturalism, and diversity.


Problem #6:

He is a mulatto -- one of 'the other;' not one of the White majority.
+  He is essentially a communist (influenced all his life by communists).
+  He is blatantly anti-White, and especially anti-White-male; while being pro-Negro, pro-Jew, pro-Muslim, pro-queer and ‑lesbian, pro-Mestizo, and pro-radical-feminist women.
+  Prior to his election as President, he had no significant life experience other than communistic, anti-White 'community organizing.'
+  He is notorious for his hidden credentials (early passports, birth certificate, draft records, social security records, school and university records, etc.).
+  He has a past history of drug use.
+  He has been identified as a homosexual (bisexual?).
+  He is pretty good at reading a teleprompter and as a speechmaker.
=  All good reasons to nominate him as Democratic candidate and then elect him President of the U.S. (twice).

Mestizos and illegal-alien 'immigrants'

Problem #7:

They are a different, lower-IQ, alien-cultured subspecies.
+  They are notorious for gang-related crime.
+  They are notorious for drug-related criminal activities and behavior.
+  They are notorious for drunken driving and accidents that maim and kill many White victims each year.
+  Mestizos, many of them illegal immigrants, drive wages down and take entry-level jobs needed by our young.
+  They generate a huge cost burden for White taxpayers for welfare, health care, and police/courts/incarceration.
+  They introduce food-related and other diseases.
+  They cause dual-language problems and costs.
+  They put a huge burden on our public education system (functions and costs).
+  They necessitate huge expenditures for illegal-immigration control.
+  Because of the massive immigration (both quasi-legal and illegal), high birth rate, and our granting 'birthright citizenship' to their 'anchor babies,' they replace Whites in our population at an alarming rate (rapidly becoming the majority in many cities, areas, and even entire states) (their 'reconquista').
=  So of course, it's only right that we pressure Congress to enact some kind of amnesty for illegal aliens, fail to secure our borders, allow them to push Whites out of many parts of the country, and allow them to overwhelm and bankrupt hospitals, schools, and entire communities.


Problem #8:

It is generally accepted that Jews wrote the Bible (Old Testament), so the concept of their being the 'chosen' people is just another of their own 'it's good for the Jews' fabrications.
+  Jews virtually control the media -- press, TV, movies and stage productions, 'popular music,' comic books, book and magazine publishing, art galleries, etc. (and they use that control to promote Jewish interests and to damage the White condition).
+  They virtually control our political process and federal government (especially foreign policy and economic [banking and investment] systems).
+  They virtually control the NEA and our public school system, and university programs in psychology and psychiatry, anthropology, sociology, etc.; and they use that control to distort our children's and young people's educations.
+  They have worked doggedly to degrade, and in many ways to virtually destroy, our Eurocentric culture.
+  Jews were primarily responsible for massive non-White immigration starting in 1965.
+  They were substantially responsible for so-called 'civil rights' legislation that loosed the Negroes on our society.
+  They have been the proximate cause of most of the major wars of the past century, including the most recent wars and warmongering for Israel in the Middle East, and especially of our involvement in them (and therefore, they bear the major share of blame for tens of millions of White deaths, untold misery and suffering, and trillions of wasted dollars).
+  They are financial scammers par excellence.
+  They have shown themselves to be, as a group, or tribe, the greatest bunch of liars humanity has ever known.
+  And on and on and on ad nauseam.
=  In view of all the above, it only seems right that we should continue to let them tell us (and especially our children) what to think and how to be; and that we should just accept their dominance over our governance, educations, culture, and our very lives (which is precisely what we have been doing for a hundred years or more now). Oh, and lest we forget -- let's redouble our efforts to help Israel whip up another war or two in the Middle East to which we can send our young men so they can fight, get maimed and crippled, and die.

Jewish 'holocaust' (the 'holohoax')

Problem #9:

Clearly, the Jewish holohoax is little more than an extortion racket and a device used to enable them to commit all manner of atrocities against other groups such as the Palestinians in the Middle East.
+  Nowhere in the massive records of Nazi Germany or WW II is there any proof of an official policy or plan to exterminate Europe's Jews, or of anywhere near six million of them being terminated.
+  There is no architectural or construction record of any "gas chamber' designed for the mass killing of Jews or anyone else.
+  There is no official Nazi extermination order; no evidence that Hitler ordered or even knew about any extermination program.
+  Damning eyewitness testimony of accused Germans at the Nuremberg trials was obtained in large part via torture and biased trial procedures; testimony of supposed victims was rife with imaginative drivel, hearsay, false testimony, and perjury.
+  Virtually every single autobiography or memoir written by Jewish 'survivors' of the Nazi 'death camps' and supposed gas chambers is riddled with fictitious events and observations, wild imaginings, outright lies, and all kinds of fraud.
=  In view of all the above, it only makes sense that we should continue to let the Jews brainwash our children with all their 'holocaust' lies, we should continue to pay for their holocaust museums (shrines and indoctrination centers) with our tax dollars, and we should all continue to patronize all the Jewish movies and television shows, and buy the books, about this non-event.


Problem #10:

All but a handful continually reveal themselves to be the most egotistical, power-mad, greedy, dishonest, corrupt, immoral, cowardly, and/or ignorant (or stupid?) people imaginable.
+  They persist in enacting anti-White and anti-straight laws that provide special treatment for colored folks and queers (and to empower every other minority group with real or imagined axes to grind).
+  They, and especially the Democrats, continually strive to bankrupt the country with wasteful, socialistic spending bills (mostly preferential spending for 'people of color').
+  They, and especially the Republicans, continually bow down and kiss the posteriors of their Jewish and Israeli masters by giving them billions of dollars each and every year and supporting Israeli warmongering and atrocities and getting us to fight their wars for them.
+  They, and especially the Democrats, strident Negro- and Mestizo-worshipping race traitors that so many of them are, work relentlessly to mongrelize, displace, dispossess, and ultimately destroy America's White majority with non-White immigration and anti-White racial preference legislation.
=  So it just stands to reason that we persist in electing and re-electing the same scumbags every election; that we just accept what they do to us and our society year after year rather than demanding their expulsion (in lieu of getting out the torches, pitchforks, and nooses as oppressed White people once might have done).

September 11, 2001 attacks

Problem #11:

All the credible evidence indicates that the 9/11 events were a 'false flag' operation designed to push the U.S. into Middle-Eastern wars for the Jews (to benefit Israel).
+  The 'Twin Towers' and Building No. 7 of the World Trade Center were all brought down by controlled demolition.
+  As immediately and clearly stated by Israel's 'Bibi' Netanyahu at the time, it was Israel and the Jews who stood to gain from the attacks.
+  The 9/11 Commission Report was nothing more than a terribly inept attempt to whitewash the event and bolster administration and media disinformation.
+  Literally dozens if not hundreds of lines of evidence prove conclusively or at least strongly indicate that it was not just a few Arabs/Muslims connected to 'Al-Qaeda' that perpetrated the 9/11 attacks as has been described by our complicit government and mainstream (Jew-controlled) media.
=  So obviously, coupled with the Bush/Cheney/Jew Neocon lies about Saddam Hussein's (non-existent) weapons of mass destruction, the 9/11 attacks made it absolutely justified and necessary that we initiate wars of aggression against the 'terrorists' and their accomplices (Afghanistan, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Iraq).

What do you think? Do you really think these are the right answers? No? Well then, you do the math -- see if you can do better!